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AprilWar, aka Blue, aka Yankee, aka the entire english vocabulary, used 'test1' in the game on Hourglass today to switch teams after we lost the AGT.

[23:23:54] <&RCAOW> Player test1 joined the game on team Nod [Join: GSA Client: 4.7 8610 17/50]
[23:23:55] <&RCAOW> [Building] Nod Obelisk under attack.
[23:23:58] <&RCAOW> test1 has 8 rank points and is ranked at position 10865 out of 14832 players.
[23:23:58] <&RCAOW> Host: test1 does not have any recommendations yet
[23:24:01] <&RCAOW> Host: [BR] test1 is using Scripts 4.7 8610.
[23:24:03] <&RCAOW> Host: [DA] Blue has requested to change teams. If you are on team Nod, and wish to switch to team GDI, type "!rtc".
[23:24:06] <&RCAOW> Player 2020_Eagle_Eye joined the game on team GDI [Join: GSA Client: 4.7 8610 18/50]
[23:24:07] <&RCAOW> Host: [DA] Blue and test1 have swapped teams.
[23:24:10] <&RCAOW> Player test1 left the game on team GDI [ 17/50 ]

Timezone is BST.

His likely counter argument is 'you cluttered up the AGT, not my fault', which by that logic means the entire GDI team should switch to NOD, and we have a nice easy game. To clarify, I bought a humvee for the team so that if NOD took the hill we could repair all buildings with just one person quickly enough. He then destroyed that humvee and complained I was cluttering up the AGT. I meant to move it later on, but that's completely irrelevant as there was enough space to enter the AGT and repair it. It just so happened that we hadn't the manpower to defend against the stealth tanks at the time.

I know this should be posted more discreetly in a PM to avoid a full-on argument, but I'd like to hear the public opinion and follow the example set so far for reporting glitch abusers!

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I think " this should be posted more discreetly in a PM to avoid a full-on argument"

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58 minutes ago, masscarriers said:

I think " this should be posted more discreetly in a PM to avoid a full-on argument"

Perhaps, but I feel a bit of public shaming is more effective as a deterrent for when no mods are on. (I am an MC mod, not Ren).

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I know, this was not an insult to you mate. I'm not liking what I see but we've historicaly restrained from dragging these matters in public for the very reason you're bringing them in : public shaming as a deterent.

The people playing Ren nowadays aren't 10s or even 20s anymore, they know better than that. April is an oldie as old as you'll find them nowadays, not that I don't condemn what he's doing but he's not gonna be fazed by public shaming as much as detered by a weekly ban for instance. Just bring these issues up to us when no mods are online and we'll settle the count, no need for blood. PM me if I need to be more explicit.

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8 hours ago, Goonhaven said:

I know this should be posted more discreetly in a PM to avoid a full-on argument, but [...]

If you know what you should do then it's better to do what you should do.

6 hours ago, Goonhaven said:

Perhaps, but I feel a bit of public shaming is more effective as a deterrent for when no mods are on. (I am an MC mod, not Ren).

You are a still a half-mod on the Ren IRC channel, so you can still do % mod stuff if you really had wanted it.

Goonhaven got angry at me because I killed his unused humvee minutes after he announced it was free for whoever wanted it. At the time I didn't know it was his, but I did this because it was 1 of 3 empty vehicles just sitting around AGT. But hey, if you hadn't immediately called me a retard I would've refunded your 350 without an issue and hoping for no hard feelings. I saw you driving a med, so I assumed that the humvee was empty and unused, like the other 2 MRLS sitting in AGT.

What really happened is that after I was called a retard by a half-mod and he implied that I somehow didn't understand the game; and after I reported that having many empty vehicles around AGT was a bad idea - then clearly I had no option going the mods route to report that sort of team hampering. But yes, I apologize for taking action into my own hands, I should've waited for teams to be uneven to swap to Nod.

8 hours ago, Goonhaven said:

He then destroyed that humvee and complained I was cluttering up the AGT. I meant to move it later on, but that's completely irrelevant as there was enough space to enter the AGT and repair it. It just so happened that we hadn't the manpower to defend against the stealth tanks at the time.

I know this should be posted more discreetly in a PM to avoid a full-on argument, but I'd like to hear the public opinion and follow the example set so far for reporting glitch abusers!

It isn't irrelevant. Nod did not have hill, so being hit on all bldgs wasn't a threat atm. Worse is that seconds after I warned the team about leaving empty vehicles, Nod rushed with just 3 stanks and they killed AGT while we had 2-3 ppl in base. People rushed to occupy the empty MLRS to prevent them from being stolen instead of repairing/mining AGT.

https://youtu.be/wA4iGLcyqyg?t=3370

Now, it's easy to tell which mods have a personal vendetta against me: you, vador, mud, may be missing more - I really don't care. If you really were concerned about your team or the match, you wouldn't have immediately rq'd after AGT was lost. But it seems that the real concern is about public shaming me, which you already admitted - so forgive me if I take the opportunity to do that as well. It wasn't enough for you to tell vador and had him switch me back (which he happily did). It honestly could've just ended there but no, you had to take it to the forums.

2 hours ago, Manuel857 said:

Last warning for you, April.

Oh yea, I guess I forgot to mention you in that list. As if you cared of !warnings to begin with, and when you do !warn people you have no idea what you are doing.

Warning people for invisi-hugging when they are not.

Kicking people for killing you too often, accusing them of cheating and then saying "fuck proof, id just ban u now".

Constantly raging and accusing people of cheating when you are losing.

Not necessarily the admin behavior I'd expect to see around. Once manule doesn't like you, then it's only a matter of time to get banned. Heck, you have even used the 'n' word in squad chat and we're supposed to be cool with it while you hypocritically and publicly ban people for doing something supposedly racist.

 

This will be my only rant sentence and then I'll leave the thread for good because I don't have time for off-game drama:

Spare me your stupid warnings, clearly you are not a competent admin. You are just another one in the long list of reasons why Ren and entire communities died.

 

Lame how pretty soon the norm is to start banning ppl for stupid things such as: not shooting at a certain player, using provocative nicks, using 000 serial, typing the 'c' word, killing admins too often, rejoining a game to fight for the other team when your team is th'ing. 

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1. - In that Sand game, on my screen it looked like invisi hugging. I didn't even see you.

2. - I haven't kicked anyone because they killed me too much. You, redpillar, exeric, etc. are all suspicious and everyone in this community will vouch on that. Streaming the game means nothing because you can still hide your cheats.

3. -  What's being said in Squad chat/pms stays there. Its not like its being said in public chat. That's a different story. Also, I don't recall saying the n-word when were we in a squad long ago.

 

 clearly you are not a competent admin. You are just another one in the long list of reasons why Ren and entire communities died.

Totally untrue but believe what you want to believe. 

 

All the warnings and temp ban on you were justified. You were breaking rules back then and still are now. (1. tunnel nuking which lead to killing silo on under. 2. Ignoring enemies like redpillar on field. 3. joining with multple nicks to switch teams.)

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25 minutes ago, Manuel857 said:

1. - In that Sand game, on my screen it looked like invisi hugging. I didn't even see you.

That's the whole purpose of scoping in such a narrow gap, making it harder for players to hit you. Sad you had to go straight to the !warn and then the 'fag' w/o any inquiry.

30 minutes ago, Manuel857 said:

2. - I haven't kicked anyone because they killed me too much. You, redpillar, exeric, etc. are all suspicious and everyone in this community will vouch on that. Streaming the game means nothing because you can still hide your cheats.

 The vid I linked speaks more for itself. You did kick Iran for killing you too much and even said "fuck proof" before kicking him for "cheater".

31 minutes ago, Manuel857 said:

3. -  What's being said in Squad chat/pms stays there. Its not like its being said in public chat. 

As for this, if this was really true woj wouldn't have been muted when he was set up by iran to say racist words via PM. No wonder why when he was unmuted he was already defensive towards mods and then got re-muted again for being a jerk. I don't even necessarily like these ppl but at least I'm honest enough to see when other mods bs them.

40 minutes ago, Manuel857 said:

Streaming the game means nothing because you can still hide your cheats.

Totally untrue but believe what you want to believe. 

 

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This thread was about you bringing in a bunch of nicks to wreck the teams so you can swap around. Do not say it didn't happen, I caught you the other day doing it.

[05-29][18:00:25] <RCAOW> Host: [DA] Zulu has requested to change teams. If you are on team Nod, and wish to switch to team GDI, type "!rtc".

[05-29][18:00:30] <shaitan> !pi 76.232.*.*
[05-29][18:00:30] <RCAOW>  ID    PlayerName          IP Address Serial KBPS  Ping             Bandwidth Team   Kills Deaths K/D Points Credits Version
[05-29][18:00:30] <RCAOW>  16    Richard             76.232.*.* ******************************** 498   122              2000000 GDI    0      0      0.0 0     247.000000 4.7
[05-29][18:00:30] <RCAOW>  9     test                76.232.*.* ******************************** 490   126              2000000 GDI    0      0      0.0 0     555.780945 4.7
[05-29][18:00:30] <RCAOW>  23    Zulu                76.232.*.* ******************************** 495   160              2000000 GDI    2      5      0.4 289   1082.027344 4.7
[05-29][18:00:30] <RCAOW>  24    leo74               76.232.*.* ******************************** 489   184              2000000 NOD    0      0      0.0 0     132.500000 4.7

[05-29][18:00:34] <RCAOW> Host: [DA] Zulu and leo74 have swapped teams.
[05-29][18:00:35] <RCAOW> [Disconnect] leo74 76.232.*.* ********************************.
[05-29][18:00:40] <RCAOW> [Disconnect] test 76.232.*.* ********************************.
[05-29][18:00:45] <RCAOW> [Disconnect] Richard 76.232.*.* ********************************.

[05-29][18:01:40] <shaitan> !msg April, why are you dragging 4 bots in here
[05-29][18:01:53] <shaitan> !pl
[05-29][18:01:08] <RCAOW> Host: [DA] Zulu has changed teams.
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> Total Players: 23/50
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> GDI: 11 NOD: 12
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> GDI: cbRRider        patrx7         Mohamed         Ninja955        @itai795
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> GDI: Fr3nZy         Zulu          badgoose        Pughy03         TiberianHustler
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> GDI: Saurontwo
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> Nod: OneEyedTrouserSnake   He4dSh0t        B00mFaT         xX5M1L3_3RXx      +SwQTraged
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> Nod: alvin225        Kaiyo          Gulse          Prayer987        Kshef63
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> Nod: zxcv66667        Hondo

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bruh,

just donate ~$50 / month and no one will have a personal vendetta against you. you can even join the game with TB, have 30-40 players bitching about it, and be allowed to play in server every day.

and in pms, just start saying racist comments and not be held accountable because 

11 hours ago, Manuel857 said:

What's being said in Squad chat/pms stays there. Its not like its being said in public chat. That's a different story.

 

also

11 hours ago, Manuel857 said:

2. - I haven't kicked anyone because they killed me too much. You, redpillar, exeric, etc. are all suspicious and everyone in this community will vouch on that. Streaming the game means nothing because you can still hide your cheats.

[5.29.21 16:05:02] <Magikarp> yah agreed, i dont think april cheats. you can see how he moves and stuff he has good aim

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, shaitan said:

This thread was about you bringing in a bunch of nicks to wreck the teams so you can swap around. Do not say it didn't happen, I caught you the other day doing it.

[05-29][18:00:25] <RCAOW> Host: [DA] Zulu has requested to change teams. If you are on team Nod, and wish to switch to team GDI, type "!rtc".

[05-29][18:00:30] <shaitan> !pi 76.232.*.*
[05-29][18:00:30] <RCAOW>  ID    PlayerName          IP Address Serial KBPS  Ping             Bandwidth Team   Kills Deaths K/D Points Credits Version
[05-29][18:00:30] <RCAOW>  16    Richard             76.232.*.* ******************************** 498   122              2000000 GDI    0      0      0.0 0     247.000000 4.7
[05-29][18:00:30] <RCAOW>  9     test                76.232.*.* ******************************** 490   126              2000000 GDI    0      0      0.0 0     555.780945 4.7
[05-29][18:00:30] <RCAOW>  23    Zulu                76.232.*.* ******************************** 495   160              2000000 GDI    2      5      0.4 289   1082.027344 4.7
[05-29][18:00:30] <RCAOW>  24    leo74               76.232.*.* ******************************** 489   184              2000000 NOD    0      0      0.0 0     132.500000 4.7

[05-29][18:00:34] <RCAOW> Host: [DA] Zulu and leo74 have swapped teams.
[05-29][18:00:35] <RCAOW> [Disconnect] leo74 76.232.*.* ********************************.
[05-29][18:00:40] <RCAOW> [Disconnect] test 76.232.*.* ********************************.
[05-29][18:00:45] <RCAOW> [Disconnect] Richard 76.232.*.* ********************************.

[05-29][18:01:40] <shaitan> !msg April, why are you dragging 4 bots in here
[05-29][18:01:53] <shaitan> !pl
[05-29][18:01:08] <RCAOW> Host: [DA] Zulu has changed teams.
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> Total Players: 23/50
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> GDI: 11 NOD: 12
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> GDI: cbRRider        patrx7         Mohamed         Ninja955        @itai795
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> GDI: Fr3nZy         Zulu          badgoose        Pughy03         TiberianHustler
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> GDI: Saurontwo
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> Nod: OneEyedTrouserSnake   He4dSh0t        B00mFaT         xX5M1L3_3RXx      +SwQTraged
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> Nod: alvin225        Kaiyo          Gulse          Prayer987        Kshef63
[05-29][18:01:09] <RCAOW> Nod: zxcv66667        Hondo

What do you mean by 4 bots? I've seen this happen before with someone using Woj's name. Also this whole issue with April is beyond stupid, he's had multiple warnings already.

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14 minutes ago, BiLLaBoNg said:

bruh,

just donate ~$50 / month and no one will have a personal vendetta against you. you can even join the game with TB, have 30-40 players bitching about it, and be allowed to play in server every day.

and in pms, just start saying racist comments and not be held accountable because 

 

Let me rephrase that. If ur in squad with ur friends, you can talk about anything you want because you're playing with your friends. Pming someone racist things to start fights etc, isnt allowed.

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17 hours ago, masscarriers said:

April is an oldie as old as you'll find them nowadays

 

14 minutes ago, BiLLaBoNg said:

also

[5.29.21 16:05:02] <Magikarp> yah agreed, i dont think april cheats. you can see how he moves and stuff he has good aim

Just how old is April? If he's over 45, then I do suspect he's cheating unless he had a military career. I don't think Puma (ChriS), April, or Redpillar cheat though, for the record. Mainly because the first two are just hug/hide maniacs with good reflexes.

12 hours ago, AprilWar said:

This will be my only rant sentence and then I'll leave the thread for good because I don't have time for off-game drama:

I was going to say that this gives mods authority to act without restriction if you don't care about the outcome of this thread, but then you just discounted the value of your words with your reply to Manuel.

12 hours ago, AprilWar said:

If you know what you should do then it's better to do what you should do.

You are a still a half-mod on the Ren IRC channel, so you can still do % mod stuff if you really had wanted it.

Goonhaven got angry at me because I killed his unused humvee minutes after he announced it was free for whoever wanted it. At the time I didn't know it was his, but I did this because it was 1 of 3 empty vehicles just sitting around AGT. But hey, if you hadn't immediately called me a retard I would've refunded your 350 without an issue and hoping for no hard feelings. I saw you driving a med, so I assumed that the humvee was empty and unused, like the other 2 MRLS sitting in AGT.

What really happened is that after I was called a retard by a half-mod and he implied that I somehow didn't understand the game; and after I reported that having many empty vehicles around AGT was a bad idea - then clearly I had no option going the mods route to report that sort of team hampering. But yes, I apologize for taking action into my own hands, I should've waited for teams to be uneven to swap to Nod.

It isn't irrelevant. Nod did not have hill, so being hit on all bldgs wasn't a threat atm. Worse is that seconds after I warned the team about leaving empty vehicles, Nod rushed with just 3 stanks and they killed AGT while we had 2-3 ppl in base. People rushed to occupy the empty MLRS to prevent them from being stolen instead of repairing/mining AGT.

https://youtu.be/wA4iGLcyqyg?t=3370

Now, it's easy to tell which mods have a personal vendetta against me: you, vador, mud, may be missing more - I really don't care. If you really were concerned about your team or the match, you wouldn't have immediately rq'd after AGT was lost. But it seems that the real concern is about public shaming me, which you already admitted - so forgive me if I take the opportunity to do that as well. It wasn't enough for you to tell vador and had him switch me back (which he happily did). It honestly could've just ended there but no, you had to take it to the forums.

 

That's what I should do to avoid a debate, but I think this needs debating, since you are one of the biggest influencers on the outcome of a game as much as it pains me to say, so if all the skilled players just switch over willy-nilly there is no chance for the team to turn things round if, say, they've lost their AGT. This, I think, is what MateNone means by team stacking, along with abusing the squad system.

I am not a Rencorner Renegade mod, nor have I have ever been, therefore I act like a regular player in Renegade, with some limits. If someone chooses to bestow power on me, I'm just going to kick afkers and continue to complain to mods about anything else; I don't want that stress right now. If you look at how I compose myself on MC it's a very different picture (albeit I have technically stepped down, but still help out). I was a St0rm senior mod ('Officer') back when cheaters were rife in 2008-11 (the era of Loki).

Yes, I got angry, yes I called you a retard. Just venting my frustration like a normal player, it's how I keep peace of mind when people clearly make no effort to cooperate with one another and assume they're always right. I did report you to Vador for destroying that humvee actually, as it was a minor TH offence and he responded very maturely asking whether it was consistent TH or a one-off.

Thanks for apologising, does that mean you're not going to do it again?

You're right, it was crammed around the AGT with 3 meds and 1 hummer IIRC and the person that left the empty med should've moved it. However, a humvee isn't going to do much damage, is it? Especially when I had the express intent to move it further back later on. It was just bad timing and too few people to both move the vehicles and repair the AGT, and that paragraph remains irrelevant to the point in question: you unbalancing the skill level of the teams by abusing the +multi parameter / renlist to switch whenever.

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1 hour ago, notsocurrent said:

What do you mean by 4 bots? I've seen this happen before with someone using Woj's name. Also this whole issue with April is beyond stupid, he's had multiple warnings already.

He had 4 renegade clients running to mess up the teams so he can get the team he wanted. You can run multiple instances of it. MDK used to do that, and people working on servers testing things, do(shit tons of flamers, for example).

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